I won't for now say what I'll be using as the sound proofing (hopefully), but if it works it may prove to be a cheap but maybe odd way of doing it.
Tuesday 5 April 2016
Has been mostly noise free tonight as neighbour has been out most of night. Neighbour came in and now theres lots of banging about above. Let cat in - can hear neighours 'love making' noises in the street - its 1am. Turn my radio up to drown out the noise which i don't like doing as its late and prefer music to be on low. Lots of noise yesterday as well ranging from banging about to loud pressure noises on and off for hrs from the water pipes.
Positive thoughts, deep breaths - at least the banging from the pipes has been sorted.
Not sure when it will be safe to turn music down as the noises start then stop then start then stop. Feeling anxious now.
Update 9 April 2016
Noise I can hear from above my bedroom when in bed, trying to sleep or being woken up by:
Impact noise - Heavy footsteps in bedroom and hallway area of flat above, doors being closed, things like cups being put down on hard surfaces, sounds like heavy draws being opened and closed. Door of toilet being closed, toilet seat being put/slammed down. These noises are very clear. Noises from bathroom.
Airborne noise - loud voices at times, loud love making noises at times.
Pressure noise in pipes (no insulation as far as I am aware) in living room. Tank situated in kitchen makes a racket - no insulation.
Noise I can hear above my living room: loud voices at times which can be heard outside as well.
Heavy footsteps, banging about in kitchen when doing washing up etc, dragging of chair along floor, opening of draw. Noises from bathroom. Hoovering. Washing machine spin cycle which makes my windows rattle at times. Pipes above creak at times, and the constant pressure noise.
Really fed up with it and having to keep contacting housing department about the problems.
Still haven't got around to reporting leaking pipe in toilet (plastic jug under leak to catch water). Not got around to reporting badly creaking floorboards in living room. Not essential to me that they get fixed right now as am fed up with repairs people in and out of here over last year.
The only noise problems that have been sorted are the loud TV after 11pm and the banging from the pipes.
In regards to the lack of sound proofing - the landlord has been aware of the noise problem in some of its rented dwellings for quite some years.
As far back as 1999 when a tenant from area I live in had a court case joined with other tenants from another London borough in
London Borough of Southwark and Another v Mills and Others, Baxter v Mayor etc of the London Borough of Camden HERE
"The lack of privacy causes tension and distress."[my emphasis]
The tenants lost the case.
Camden council does not want to fix the problem for all/most tenants - even back then when money was a plenty. Still plenty of money around, but not spent on specific problems.
That's not to say the landlord doesn't install sound proofing in some cases ie say they want a formal borough wide council tenants group set up and the tenant gang who say they will do it, get housing transfers from estates to street properties plus sound proofing put in flat below and who are allowed by the landlord council to behave as badly as they like.
I'm beginning to think that the reason the landlord was so keen to get the borough wide tenants group set up was to keep a lid on some of the problems to do with street properties - this tenants group make a fuss about things when need be and may put on a public show of doing something - sometimes, but imo its only done for them to look good, like they have done something - but nothing effective of course.
Update 18 March 2016
Process of DIY sound proofing going slowly, as decided against firstly nailing, then changed mind to pinning (using stapler gun) of materials to areas needed so instead will buy some adhesive - will get there eventually. Am as slow as a tortoise at times. Have informed landlords agent of my DIY plans and what materials I'll be using. No objection so far.
Update 20 April 2016
Change of plan regarding the DIY materials. How did I get into this - oh yes its the constant noise intrusion even late at night. Crap housing eh.
Update 23 April 2016
Tenant above is having an all night 'love' making session - started about 12mid night above my living room with mainly very heavy footsteps then moved above my bedroom with lots of banging about and moaning noises - still going on at 6am. I'm guessing 'energy enhancements' are prolonging things - to my dismay. Deep breaths, positive thoughts.
You know you're tired and up past your bedtime when you look out the window see that its day break, hear the birds tweeting, see the garden blooming, then find yourself singing "morning has broken" then "morning has broken like the first morning".
The noise went on until around 8.30am. Only when bloke had gone, was I able to settle down to sleep.
Update 25 April 2016
Tenant in flat above woke me up around 5.30am with lots of banging about - heavy footsteps, sounded like heavy things being put down on heavy surfaces, heavy draws being opened, heavy boxes being dragged out from somewhere and just dropped, that sort of noise - this went on for about 40 minutes with tenant coming and going from room, coming and going, coming and going. Couldn't get back to sleep so got up made a cuppa and came on here.
Update 27 April 2016
noise nuisance above my bedroom from around 1.30am - 3.00am: heavy footsteps, hard things put down on hard surfaces, dragging of heavy boxes/draws sounds, dropping things down - on and off - might be a single noise or might be a bang, drag, thump - sort of thing.
Good news though that the pieces of carpet pinned to the panel running down the wall area where the pipes run through, seems to have dampened the water pressure noise from that area. Pipes still make a noise across the ceiling at the party wall side of wall but its quieter now. Getting there. Really creaky floorboard in living room fixed (area still creaks a bit but not as bad) - carpet taken up and used else where.
Hope to get the flat in shape to be suitable for a out of borough housing transfer - don't know where yet. Couldn't swap this flat in the state its in re no sound insulation at all - none, zero, never put any in - when landlord converted the property plus 'noisy inconsiderate neighbour'. Must be millions of dwellings in such a state i reckon.
Decided the material to be used on the ceilings as a sound barrier will have to be a adhesive sheet/tile directly onto ceilings like HERE
I can't afford to pay for it so will put it to the landlord, to at least pay for the bedroom and hallway ceilings to be done, at either of the above linked products or similar prices.
Update 11 May 2016
Neighbour upstairs has been reasonably quiet (in the eve's and after 11pm) the last few weeks but has started again with the loud TV after 11pm that can be heard outside in the street and in my living room. In my experience quiet periods don't last long with neighbour. Waiting now for all the other noise particularly after 11pm to start again as usual.
Update 22 May 2016
Housing officer not got back to be yet about my request for landlord to pay for sound barrier tiles on some ceilings in flat.
I think I can't get out of here unless this property is at least half decent in order to swap it, which includes I think sound proofing and re-decorating in order to 'sell' it to another tenant to swap. Some may and have said I shouldn't mention the lack of sound proofing but I think its such a big problem in many such properties that I have to mention it as its not fair to not do so and inflict this property on any other person who may be vulnerable and be deeply affected by the noise. I know how badly its affected me over the years and I really don't want to inflict it on another.
Update 24 May 2016
Update 19 June 2016
Things have improved a bit re the 'love' making noises late at night/early morn have quietened down and I am grateful for that.
There is still a problem though with the constant heavy sounding footsteps I can hear day and night when neighbour is in.
Update 21 July 2016
There is still a problem with the banging about from kitchen area late at night (and the pressure noise from the pipes late at night) and from the tenants bathroom area, which I could hear the other night when at the front door of the building - thats right on the ground floor you can sometimes hear the tenant on the second floor. has been bad the last week.
Like I have said before when money was a plenty Camden council ignored the problem and continues to ignore (low priority) it but have added the caveat of costs and no guarentee sounding proofing will work.
To me thats not good enough.
They can find money for other housing improvements but not on much needed sound proofing, which can cause a lot of mental distress to people on top of causing frictions between neighbours.
The "no garentee" is a weak argument I think because the landlord doesn't present it with evidence to back it up - could be there is little data collected on this issue because its such a low priority for Camden council and has been through out its mainly Labour run administration.
Even when presented with a compromise (the landlord pays to have sound barrier tiles part installed (the main areas where noise is as opposed to all of flat) they say no.
Update 24 July 2016
I don't usually phone the councils noise patrol service, but I really felt the need to do so quite recently due to the noise level above me for the last 2/3 hours.
Neighbour is doing something on the patio - cleaning I think and the banging about and scrapping noise is to me horrendous - 2/3 hrs constant plus at one point soaky water coming down my kitchen window from above.
In isolation the noise from the patio isn't really an on going problem but add it to the overall noise problem from other areas and its just one big never ending noise nuisance.
Person from the councils environmental protection phoned me back quite quickly and we had a chat and I appreciate the support given. Noise has quietened down now and I hope I don't feel the need to phone them again as advised. Not sure though why they don't automatically come out to assess the situation, maybe a new council money saving policy? Or even a fob off, I don't know but person did sound supportive, so who knows.
16 August 2016
The noise from flat above has been bad this week - TV loud now most nights even after 11pm and can be heard outside as well in my living room - lots of banging about from kitchen and bedroom area. I hear every heavy foot stepp the tenant makes - for instance when I'm in bed ans still wake and when tenant is in bed and she gets up to use the loo all I hear is thump thump thump footsteps and banging about of using the toilet. How does any one make so much noise getting out of bed to go toilet?
The only noise that has stopped is the loud 'love making' noises and the water pipes banging. Maybe i'm expecting too much?
lots of noise tonight - banging about above my bedroom, on and off for the last 2hrs its 3.25am.
heavy footsteps, on and off, back and forth like with shoes on its 3.55am
10 Oct 2016
have been in my bedroom trying to relax since 11.30pm - its 1.30am now and my window has rattled 4 times because of heavy footsteps above, plus banging about in toilet area toilet 2 times and heavy footsteps in hall area. There will be more to come.
Am always on edge anticipating the noise.
2.10am more window rattling, heavy footsteps.
But one must be resilient whilst being under constant attack - apparently.
I have asked the landlord camden council about mediation with neighbour in finding a remedy to the noise problem - it used to be offered to tenants but I recently heard that this service is no longer available, so i don't know as yet if I can access this service elsewhere or even if neighbour would agree to it.
Patience and lots of deep breaths and positive thoughts and whatnot.
13 Oct 2016
Found out from the camden councils website that the mediation service still exists HERE
31 Oct 2016
Landlords agent not got back to me about the mediation - maybe a heavy workload or something.
Was quiet most of the day until after 10.30pm when the noise started on and off and on and off and on and off and ........... blah blah blah.
Just how much is considered substantial?
6 Nov 2016
Was coming up to 2am, i'm trying to settle down to sleep and above i hear a really loud bang like something heavy was dropped, this was followed by 2/3 more loud banging noises then the usual heavy footsteps and more banging about. I think ffs its 2am, why do I have to keep hearing this night after night. I can't sleep now so get up and leave bedroom and go into living room then I hear banging about in kitchen above. The noise follows me.
3am i'm back in b/r I can hear what sounds like draws on those noisy casters being opened and shut and footsteps.
3.30am heavy footsteps, banging about above on and off
8 Nov 2016
Emailed housing ward manager and cabinet member for housing about a reply to my email in June 2016 about the water overcharging.
19 Nov 2016
Was woken up 3 times this morning at various times by tenant above heavy impact footsteps when going to the toilet, plus I can hear water from toilet flush (pipe situated outside my bedroom window) even when my bedroom window is closed.
Sometimes if I'm really lucky I can hear above me the sound of actual 'water being deposited' and then the flushing then water going down outside pipe.
27 Nov 2016
Has been a bad day/night today noise wise. Say from around 5pm until now 11.30pm has been constant banging about from tenants kitchen area - one bang then 5 minutes later another bang that sort of thing, spinning washing machine, heavy footsteps, at times voices on and off for hours. Can even hear it above my music on 13. More heavy footsteps.
Tenant above would have a break down i reckon if tenant was in my place - tenant bangs on wall and shouts at neighbours next door if they make noises even for a few seconds that wake her up or annoy her. Tenant above woke me up 3 times in the morning the other week - on top of all the other usual noise.
Think i'll bill my landlord for all the electricity i use (old small music system in living room with speakers on walls) in trying to drown out one of their tenants constant noise. haha - i no how thats going to go - computer says no. Watch Camden council land-lord try and wriggle out of refunding all the tenants they have been overcharging for water - for years. Tut tut London councils.
29 Nov 2016
4am tenant seems clumsy tonight - dropped things at least 5 times above my bedroom.
I reckon I know why Camden council noise patrol doesn't come out to these properties (or at least this property) when called by a tenant in distress, a plea of help, of assistance.
Tenants are told by housing staff they need evidence other than your word of the nuisance and unless you have someone there with you all the time or can afford noise recording equipment ones word is not good enough (even if repeated by many others in the same properties?) unless it suits.
How longer can they keep ignoring what I think is a massive problem with some/many converted street properties because it impacts adversely on many tenants, tenants who in many cases moved into the properties without being informed of the defect and then can spend years and years trying to get the landlord to fix the problem or give you a transfer to another place and all plea's to council people for help is largely met with deaf ears. How can that be right?
positive energy, thoughts, feelings.
1 Dec 2016
2.50am banging about and heavy footsteps noise above my bedroom on and off for last hour.
4 Dec 2016
Noise really affecting me this weekend. When getting up and coming into living room and seeing how long before the noise above starts - no longer than 10 minutes then I find myself tensing up, becoming anxious and then the tension in my neck/shoulders then having to put radio on to try and calm me down.
No real solutions from landlord Camden council anywhere even in their recent report to the Housing Scrutiny committee (under anti social behaviour - noise) HERE do I have to start calling the police and reporting the noise because the landlord won't/can't provide a remedy for tenants affected?
The Anti Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 HERE says:
2 Meaning of “anti-social behaviour”
(1)In this Part “anti-social behaviour” means—
(a)conduct that has caused, or is likely to cause, harassment, alarm or distress to any person,
(b)conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to a person in relation to that person’s occupation of residential premises, or
(c)conduct capable of causing housing-related nuisance or annoyance to any person.
I see housing are using the councils tick box casp to 'show' they 'looked at' the issue of noise nuisance in street properties and the small change in tenancy conditions to do with carpeting, which really doesn't help at all in my experience - tenant above me reckons to have 3 layers of carpeting which I doubt. In all the landlords handling of this issue is to look like they have or are doing something but not really doing much.
6 Dec 2016
even if I was to get a flat swap , i can't afford to move.
I'm stuck here and that fills me with despair.
12.15am tenant above went out and then came back in around 11pm - high heels sounds like it - I put radio on to drown out the noise - then about 15 minutes ago it felt like my ceiling was shaking, then windows were rattling for about ten minutes. deep breaths .......
just went into my bathroom - could hear banging noise from patio area above.
what is going on? I think i know what is going on but i really wish i didn't.
14 Dec 2016
heavy impact footsteps bad in area above entrance area of tenants kitchen and hallway area. Don't hear too many footsteps in tenants living room area.
Pressure noise from water pipes that run through my living room still a problem.
18 Dec 2016
tenant above came in around 2am with bloke. Lots of noise above my bedroom on and off until 6am including the 'love making' noise.
9 Jan 2017
3.20am Lots of banging about and heavy footsteps above my bedroom since about 12 midnight. let cats out and could hear the 'love making' noise and then could hear banging about from out at front gate the bloke left shortly after that. Xmas and new year period bad noise wise.
16 Jan 2017
am a bit slow (ok maybe more than a bit) in getting there but am taking steps via the legal route to try and put a (permanent) stop to (or at least a significant reduction) the noise nuisance .
bring it on.
17 Jan 2017
Lots of banging about and heavy footsteps last night from when tenant above came in late around 12 midnight until around 4am. Then when tenant got up lots of noise. Saw tenant outside as she came back in (think she forgot something) and she seemed to make a special effort to make lots of noise going up and down the stairs for my benefit (really heavy and loud thumping up and down the stairs) so I asked her to stop making so much noise please. This was met with aggression on her part, loud voice, wagging finger at me and telling me not to talk to her as she doesn't talk to me and then calling me lowlife as she walked away shouting as she went off up the road.
I can't without aggression and name calling on her part approach her directly about the noise.
28 Jan 2017
The noise from flat above has been quite bad the last few days. Am feeling the pain in my neck and shoulder.
Nothing much seems to have changed with me contacting the police about the noise. Housing officer is still ignoring the noise complaint I sent to her. Things not going so great with physiotherapist (shoulders/neck pain). Am trying to sort the problems out (housing and pain) but its not easy.
29 Jan 2017
Lots of noise again today/eve. found some bloke waiting outside front door in the rain apparently waiting for tenant upstairs to come down. Despite apparently phoning tenant in front of me, he still seems to be waiting 15 minutes later.
Not the first time i've found blokes hanging about aside for tenant. Can be quite busy at times the coming and going.
One time I opened front door (at night) and this bloke was standing there and startled me a bit, but was funny really as he was wearing one of those lamp things that miners wear on his head- he had it turned on and seemed stoned or something and said tenant had harassed him to come up - i said oh you better go up then. you have to laugh sometimes.
Monday 30 Jan 2017
Tenant above walked past me at the front door (with the usual face on) and up the communal stairs and said something out loud and then went into her flat and started shouting and really heavily stomping up her flat stairs - for my benefit i felt. I thought I'm not getting angry - the tenant has enough negative energy inside for the whole street and i ain't gonna add to it. Tenant may be getting 'cocky' because tenant knows the landlord and the police won't do anything to help me so the courts will be the next step.
Monday 27 Feb 2017
what to say - still hearing banging about late at night in tenants kitchen ,bathroom and toilet area and bedroom. Think tenant has someone living there as well.
8 March 2017
Lots of noise the last few days - banging or stomping about what seems like every 10/15 minutes without fail regardless of the time. Landlord Camden council was supposed to get back to me about a meeting they supposedly had with the tenant. If anything the noise is worse since the alleged meeting.
Sat 11 March 2017
I will be writing up the Letter before Action over the weekend and put it under tenants door. Hopefully I can muster up enough energy to carry this through to where it needs to go. Life seems one battle after another at times - for survival, for some peace and quiet, for your sanity.
Sunday 12 March 2017
The LBA is on hold whilst I try one last other avenue.
Monday 13 March 2017
Not much energy these last few days, but I will get there.
Wed 15 March 2017
3am at the ground floor door to property I could hear tenant on 2nd floor banging about in her bathroom - it was quiet loud.
This is just an example of the noise nuisance/intrusion I have to listen to through out the night. Its the same every night no matter what the time is. and then the loud pressure noise from the pipes that run through my living room. Its not only the lack of sound proofing it appears to be the lack of consideration by tenant above.
And now there are 2 heavy footed bangy about people living in the flat above its double the 'joy'. Deep breaths.
3.16 can hear tenant above walking about and banging something again. Its so intrusive. I can't relax even with the drugs.
This is how the landlord camden council expects some/many of their tenants to live and like we are supposed to grateful or something? I'm grateful for a lot of things but being stuck here having to listen to this day in day out night in night out and the landlord (labour run Camden council) not giving a 4X about the situation isn't one of them.I know I'm not the only tenant with this problem with camden council housing.
I'm getting there just have something else I need to do then its the other avenue then if that doesn't work its the Courts.
I have to admit I am a bit intimidated by the bloke thats moved in (think it was on same day tenant was supposed to have had interview with housing officer)but fcuk it if i need to take legal action I will do it and keep a weapon nearby just in case she sets him on me.
29 March 2017
Coincidences. Bloke moved out from flat above not long after I did last posting of 15 march 2017, then when Camden council housing ward manager replied to my email a few days ago bloke appears to have moved back in again. Odd. No word yet from local MP. I haven't contacted local council members simply because they have no power to help with this and the cabinet member for housing is of no help.
My energy levels go up and down, sleep isn't so great but I will get there eventually even if it kills me.
3 April 2017
Had meeting with housing officer today. It was a positive meeting I think and I was offered help which I accepted because I need it despite being as independent as I can be. We got there in the end. I have tears in my eyes now. I appreciate the help.
19 April 2017
Tenant above was reasonably quiet for a few days and the noise starts again even late at night. People coming and going. Running down the stairs. What sounds like really heavy footsteps about, banging about, dropping heavy objects on floor, banging them down. Banging doors, banging, lots of banging about, loud noise from hoovering in small area for over 30 minutes [usually above my bedroom at night] hoover sounds like its being , washing machine noise of spinning and rattling my windows. Tenant and lodger makes for double the noise, tenant and many visitors coming and going.
I'm trying to be as patient as I can be but after so many years of the noise and landlord not doing much about it my patience isn't really that great. Am trying not to lose it best I can.
Not heard back from housing about the housing officers visit a few weeks ago. I know things can be slow going, but above applies.
25 May 2017
Was hoping I didn't have to return to this but nothing seems to has happened in regards to the housing officer visit and me getting a social worker, and possibly moving. Housing officer dragging her feet for some reason in explaining to me what it all meant exactly ie floating support team. Will have to have to chase it up.
Tenant above me has recently started again with the noise late at night, the banging the heavy footsteps, banging and now the cold water tank in my kitchen has been making a constant noise because for some reason it is constantly filling up and the noise from pipes in my living room have been very loud of late. The landlord wouldn't lag the tank when I asked some time back. No sound proofing where noisy pipes in my living room are situated. No sound proofing anywhere in the building.
found out reason why water tank was constantly filling up - a tap not turned off properly its sorted now.
I forgot to mention the loud creaky door/s tenant above has - that I can hear quite clearly in my bedroom late at night and seem to hear more of, of late.
16 June 2017
Tenant above has allowed another visitor to park their cycle in front garden overnight obstructing access to the bins - Camden council not long ago put one of those cycle park things in practically next door
Coincidently I also received a letter from my landlord Camden council claiming they will be taking legal action against me for possession if I don't pay the water charges arrears I stopped paying before xmas last year. Plus estate officer who came to my 'home' a few months back and made all the 'promises' really didn't mean what she said [I suspect] just going through the motions I think.
I think I have a good reason for stopping the water charges considering Camden council won't give back the money they owe me and other tenants for othercharging us. I await the court case for council to apply for possession order.
HERES what happens
20 June 2017
Noticed cycle is back again when I came down to put some rubbish in recycling bin. I couldn't access the bin so threw the two items on top of bin. Obstructing access to gas metres also.The hand rail was put in a few years back for easier access for severely disabled son of tenant in ground floor flat. An additional step was also added.
More 'fun and games' from tenant in flat above me.
Will stick a polite notice on the rail and see whether it will be taken down or not.
The polite notice I put on hand rail has been taken off.
25 June 2017
Cycle back again
brough recycling rubbish down and bike was back again blocking access again. I threw the rubbish on top of the two bins and am leaving it there. A rubbish tip the front area shall be.